Re: Cydia crash

Jared,

Again I agree with you. The iPhone is not the same as any other
specific Internet device type. I'm not sure what your point is. The
key for me is that risk wise iPhones are not outside the range of risk
of typical kinds of Internet connected devices. Each Internet device
type has its own risk profile and its own rules about what defines
responsible use. Each can be and has been abused. Many key Internet
devices are not protected by firewalls. A firewall is not essential to
security. It just solves a certain kind of security problem. Any
Internet computer is a potential liability whether it fits in your
pocket or not.

You are correctly articulating some of the the particular security
issues with an iPhone. However the iPhone is not the riskiest or most
potentially dangerous Internet device out there, not by a long shot.
It is not in any way uniquely risky. It doesn't deserve or need
different rules.

Steve

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Jared Earle <jearle@gmail.com> wrote:
> A normal computer is usually behind a firewall of sorts. An iPhone is
> unfirewalled directly connected to the Internet, with a known, open
> root password, usually in a known IP block.
>
> It's a liability ... in your pocket!
>
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> On 17 May 2010, at 20:58, Steve Morris <barbershopsteve@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Jared,
>>
>> I agree with everything you say except that every normal computer is
>> also a network device. Your rules should apply to every device on the
>> Internet. That is both the strength and the weakness of the Internet
>> as compared to earlier proprietary switched networks . Every device
>> with an IP address is equal. Any "special" computers are special by
>> convention only. I've never been able to decide whether that makes it
>> the purest democracy ever or the purest anarchy ever or both. ;-)
>> Conceptually driving any Internet device is no different than driving
>> a car. Both are powerful and potentially dangerous tools designed to
>> improve life via communication on an open network. For a car that
>> network is the road system. Both need to be used responsibly.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Jared Earle <jearle@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 17 May 2010, at 18:15, Carlos Alvarez <caalvarez@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Well, that's really it.  Not that you should know the outcome of your testing, but that you should understand the potential outcomes and your path to fixing it.
>>>
>>>
>>> With a normal computer, it's ok to mess up and need to redo from
>>> start. However, with a network device you can't secure, you're part of
>>> the problem if you just throw a loose and opened honeypot into the
>>> shark pool that is the Internet. An easily compromised device makes
>>> life worse for the rest of us.
>>>
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